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then we can work in earnest together to reduce the deficit in a balanced way that will make sure we don't first throw the middle class under the bus. that whatever we put forward have spending cuts and revenue that is going to take care of the middle class and make sure that we have spending cuts and revenue that ensures that they're fair and that the math works. there has been no evidence thus far that the republicans are interested in doing that. >> this has been the perfect opportunity for them to step forward and show some leadership. the majority of americans do want this right now. congresswoman, the president has asked you to stay on as d next c chair. what is the way forward for the democrats? what's happening here? >> well, we need to continue to focus on rebuilding our economy from the middle class out. president obama talked eloquently and passionately during the campaign about making sure that we can get a handle on this deficit, that we can rebuild our economy from the middle class out, that we can focus on creating jobs and getting the economy turned around, and that's what
then we can work in earnest together to reduce the deficit in a balanced way that will make sure we don't first throw the middle class under the bus. that whatever we put forward have spending cuts and revenue that is going to take care of the middle class and make sure that we have spending cuts and revenue that ensures that they're fair and that the math works. there has been no evidence thus far that the republicans are interested in doing that. >> this has been the perfect opportunity...
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raging deficits, not enough revenues and we needed to cut some spending, too. we needed to make sure that people got their unemployment benefits. tip o'neill realized that he was speaker of the house. not speaker of the democrats. and he had that magic. the magic to him was 218 votes. and that's what i wish john boehner would do. because if he took a page out of tip o'neill's book, we'll be off this fiscal cliff and i compliment congressman cole for his courage in saying, you know, the president's given us 98%, essentially, of what we want. let's take it and we'll argue over the millionaires and the billionaires later. >> you know, you're probably one of the really key leading progressives in the united states senate. i've watched your heroic campaigns every six years. i'm walls in always in wonder of your ability to stick to principles and win big in the biggest state. how is this going over, the view you're taking now, which we're all in this together to some extent? it has to be a 60/40, something like that, deal. how is that going over with your colleagues
raging deficits, not enough revenues and we needed to cut some spending, too. we needed to make sure that people got their unemployment benefits. tip o'neill realized that he was speaker of the house. not speaker of the democrats. and he had that magic. the magic to him was 218 votes. and that's what i wish john boehner would do. because if he took a page out of tip o'neill's book, we'll be off this fiscal cliff and i compliment congressman cole for his courage in saying, you know, the...
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we have a $16 trillion deficit and the president wants to spend more money. are you kidding me? >> all right, jess. what do the serious negotiations take place here? that he puts an offer on the table to secretary geithner. the republicans are now angry. where is the next step here? >> well, you know, it's up to the republicans to come back with something, and now we're waiting to see what their next move will be. you know, the republicans' position is this was an unreasonable offer and it does not balance out with enough spending cuts. they want to refocus on spending cuts instead of tax increases. we should expect to see something from republicans that will be more heavily focused on the cuts. you know, the white house is very clear. they are not going to give on that increase on tax rates. that's where the fight will take place over the mechanics few weeks. >> we'll see if there's any republican reaction to the president's plan there because, obviously, he is using all the tools that he has to push forward his plan. we'll see how they come up with the alternative. thanks, jes
we have a $16 trillion deficit and the president wants to spend more money. are you kidding me? >> all right, jess. what do the serious negotiations take place here? that he puts an offer on the table to secretary geithner. the republicans are now angry. where is the next step here? >> well, you know, it's up to the republicans to come back with something, and now we're waiting to see what their next move will be. you know, the republicans' position is this was an unreasonable offer...
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we cannot raise taxes enough to take care of $1 trillion worth of deficit spending every single year. so let's get off of this and get on to the other side and start talking about what we have to do to cut our spending, to reform those entitlement programs that are the debt drivers and then do pro-growth tax reform that will stimulate the economy, get the money coming in. it's the best way to get money coming in and that gives everybody a job and helps to take care of the fiscal problem and balanced is what we need. >> congresswoman diane black, thank you for joining me this morning. i appreciate your time. >> thank you. >> i want to bring in our political power panel. political reporter, karen tumult, karen finney and robert trainam. karen, since i know you the best, i'm going to call you k-fin as not to confuse everyone. it seems the taxes are going to go up on the wealthy. the question is whether or not it's through the tax increases or closing the loopholes and the deductions. so do you think that we are closer to a deal today than yesterday if. >> i do. in that now they're puttin
we cannot raise taxes enough to take care of $1 trillion worth of deficit spending every single year. so let's get off of this and get on to the other side and start talking about what we have to do to cut our spending, to reform those entitlement programs that are the debt drivers and then do pro-growth tax reform that will stimulate the economy, get the money coming in. it's the best way to get money coming in and that gives everybody a job and helps to take care of the fiscal problem and...
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and it is, over the long-term, projected to be the biggest contributor to deficits down the road. which mean people in the country, voters everywhere, love medicare and do not want it to be cut. and wonks in washington, d.c. spend their time trying to figure out how to cut medicare. both democrat and republican. and with this very thorny contradiction in mind, politicians and think tank analysts and the like have developed a whole secondary-coated language to talk about medicare. so premium support instead ofç privatizing medicare, and structural medicare reform instead of raising the eligibility age. now, remember the context for all this. this is important. remember that phrase we first started hearing at the start of the health reform debate, which may be apocryphal, "keep government hands off my medicare." the big tea party uprising was in large part a reaction to the idea, quote/unquote, of socialized medicine. it was the affordable care act, and the government, quote, takeover of health care, that fanned the flames of the post-obama tea party protest. but, of course, most
and it is, over the long-term, projected to be the biggest contributor to deficits down the road. which mean people in the country, voters everywhere, love medicare and do not want it to be cut. and wonks in washington, d.c. spend their time trying to figure out how to cut medicare. both democrat and republican. and with this very thorny contradiction in mind, politicians and think tank analysts and the like have developed a whole secondary-coated language to talk about medicare. so premium...
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, is a continuation of about repealing the affordable care act which would result in increasing our deficit. and so republicans really have this a little bit backwards. >> jennifer: well, so as part of the deal today the white house was calling for $50 billion infrastructure bank i was excited to see that. you are a member of the transportation and infrastructure committee. can that survive house republican cuts? >> well, it should. i mean, i have a broad smile on my face about infrastructure because we know and you know as a former governor, that the infrainfrastructure across this country is following apart if we invest in it we create jobs and grow jobs and and put us in global competition in the economy, i hope it does survive i think republicans and democrats recognize across country that we haven't done nearly enough for infrastructure spending and i think there is broad support for that across the board republicans and democrats. >> jennifer: just really quickly, i mean, i totally agree with you, this is a bit i've different mechanism funding infrastructure bank as opposed to direct
, is a continuation of about repealing the affordable care act which would result in increasing our deficit. and so republicans really have this a little bit backwards. >> jennifer: well, so as part of the deal today the white house was calling for $50 billion infrastructure bank i was excited to see that. you are a member of the transportation and infrastructure committee. can that survive house republican cuts? >> well, it should. i mean, i have a broad smile on my face about...
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it totals $2.2 trillion in deficit reduction over ten years. the part that stood out to us was $600 billion in proposed savings in medicare reforms. how? in part by raising the age of eligibility to 65 to maybe 67. turning down the gop proposal, dan pfieffer said, quote, it provides no details on which deductions they would eliminate, which loopholes they will close or which medicare savings they would achieve." let's head now to the white house and dan lothian. the white house will not offer a counter proposal, right? what's going on here? >> reporter: well, you know, i think the white house is digging in. the president said early on in this process that he would only sit down and really move forward, negotiate on this in any meaningful way if the tax hikes for the wealthy expired. and republicans have been pushing back on that -- tax breaks rather for the wealthy expired and republicans have been pushing back on that, say they go believe that will be harmful for the economic recovery because wealthy americans are the ones who are creating the
it totals $2.2 trillion in deficit reduction over ten years. the part that stood out to us was $600 billion in proposed savings in medicare reforms. how? in part by raising the age of eligibility to 65 to maybe 67. turning down the gop proposal, dan pfieffer said, quote, it provides no details on which deductions they would eliminate, which loopholes they will close or which medicare savings they would achieve." let's head now to the white house and dan lothian. the white house will not...
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or ten-year deficit projections, something like 70 billion off 1.14 trillion deficit. it won't make a big dent. why is he so dedicated to it? that being said, carol, despite the fact that it sends me a little off kilter, yes, republicans lost the election. they don't have a ton of leverage. they want to try to achieve a deal that they think is going to maximize potential good for the country, meaning spending reform, budget deficit reduction, but the truth is that they don't have a ton of leverage in forcing president obama to take a look at medicare and social security to bring this conversation full circle that really mean serious budget and deficit reform. >> well, i'm sure that the majority of americans are hoping the two sides will come to some sort of deal. wouldn't that be nice? that would be a nice christmas present. will cain, thank you. >> yeah, you bet. >> thanks so much. >>> one of the top u.s. banks out with a pretty rosie prediction for next year. could it be enough to save your 401(k) from that fiscal cliff? ...so as you can see, geico's customer satisfa
or ten-year deficit projections, something like 70 billion off 1.14 trillion deficit. it won't make a big dent. why is he so dedicated to it? that being said, carol, despite the fact that it sends me a little off kilter, yes, republicans lost the election. they don't have a ton of leverage. they want to try to achieve a deal that they think is going to maximize potential good for the country, meaning spending reform, budget deficit reduction, but the truth is that they don't have a ton of...
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, there is brand-new polling out today on how americans feel about the idea of congress using these deficit negotiations to make cuts to medicare. 79% of americans say they do not want congress to touch medicare in these deficit negotiations. 79%. if you want to get specific about john boehner's proposal, what he wants to do to medicare is to raise the eligibility age from 65 to 67. and as it turns out, there is also recent polling on that specific proposal. and it is also super unpopular. look at this. almost 70% of americans say they oppose raising the eligibility age for medicare. that number is slightly higher among republicans than it is for the general population. more republicans oppose john boehner's plan than the already extremely high margin of the general public that opposes john boehner's plan. now, if you're following the news very closely in this slow-motion, groundhog day-esque political negotiation, maybe yoç already knew that john boehner wants to raise the medicare eligibility age. but if you just sort of glanced at john boehner's actual letter to the president with his p
, there is brand-new polling out today on how americans feel about the idea of congress using these deficit negotiations to make cuts to medicare. 79% of americans say they do not want congress to touch medicare in these deficit negotiations. 79%. if you want to get specific about john boehner's proposal, what he wants to do to medicare is to raise the eligibility age from 65 to 67. and as it turns out, there is also recent polling on that specific proposal. and it is also super unpopular. look...
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howard's become a deficit hawk. i think howard and i would disagree probably on some of the elements of what constitutes -- >> no, but he's saying it's not a disaster if it happens. >> well, i was going to get to that point. the fiscal cliff itself, howard is right, it's a slope. on day one the economy does not collapse and go into recession. but i worry a lot about the markets. the market reaction to going over the cliff, particularly if we go over the cliff in disarray where there's really no plan. everything's broken down. nobody knows where anybody is. i think that could be pretty ugly in the markets. having said that, my own view is, that going over the fiscal cliff is only the second worst thing that can happen. the worst thing that can happen would be for congress to simply kick the can down the road on everything. >> that's exactly right. >> extend all the taxes, extend all the spending, let life go merrily on the way it is. we cannot let that happen. it is time to address the deficit. and if going over the
howard's become a deficit hawk. i think howard and i would disagree probably on some of the elements of what constitutes -- >> no, but he's saying it's not a disaster if it happens. >> well, i was going to get to that point. the fiscal cliff itself, howard is right, it's a slope. on day one the economy does not collapse and go into recession. but i worry a lot about the markets. the market reaction to going over the cliff, particularly if we go over the cliff in disarray where...
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there is an interesting coalition, if you will, of very conservative deficit hawks and very liberal deficit hawks, if you will, who might come together and say, you know what, let the country go off the cliff. lack at those five-year projections. isn't this about short term versus long term? what do you say and what do you think your members would say? >> the best thing is to do something our spending problem and barring anything else, doing the automatic cuts that congress promised last year when they raised the debt ceiling would be better than doing nothing. it's separate from the ougautomc tax increase that happens on january 1. our preferred strategy here would be to accept the sequester now knowing that congress is not going to do something more rational. they're not going to take on more fundamental spending reforms and push off increasing taxes. and let's have a ration conversation about fundamental tax reform in the first six months of next year. nothing congress does in this panic is going to be rational public policy regardless of ideology. >> isn't it fair to say no matter what,
there is an interesting coalition, if you will, of very conservative deficit hawks and very liberal deficit hawks, if you will, who might come together and say, you know what, let the country go off the cliff. lack at those five-year projections. isn't this about short term versus long term? what do you say and what do you think your members would say? >> the best thing is to do something our spending problem and barring anything else, doing the automatic cuts that congress promised last...
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it would hardly make a dent in the yearly deficit and not even a chip of a cent off the debt. he said he would rather go over the fiscal cliff than not to raise tax rates. so obama pushing higher taxes on the top 2%, not for economic reasons but for i'd logical reasons but there is also this obvious fact. obama wants to raise the top rates for political reasons. now that is he wants to force republicans to raise tacks in order to trigger a civil war within the gop and the conservative movement, and in that respect sadly obama is having some success. now so long as this debate is focused not on cutting spending but on raising daxs and revenues with the only question being which taxes, how much revenue, then obama wins. now if obama succeeds in making the argument not about his spending, but about grover norquist, he wins there, too. for republicans, on the other hand, if they can figure out a way to refocus the debate on spending, they win and the country wins. we can't kid ourselves that's correct is not easy to do. obama has the biggest microphone in the land and he also has
it would hardly make a dent in the yearly deficit and not even a chip of a cent off the debt. he said he would rather go over the fiscal cliff than not to raise tax rates. so obama pushing higher taxes on the top 2%, not for economic reasons but for i'd logical reasons but there is also this obvious fact. obama wants to raise the top rates for political reasons. now that is he wants to force republicans to raise tacks in order to trigger a civil war within the gop and the conservative movement,...
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as you know, we have a trillion dollar annual deficit and this would not close that gap at all. so the president needs to come up with a plan and for better or worse going to require leadership. no member of the senate or the house is going to be able to do this, this is something the president has to do by himself and he can't do it on the campaign trail. >> let me ask you this because you wrote an op-ed today and you wrote about divided government about the deal. you said divided government means that neither democrats nor republicans will be able to pass legislation along strictly partisan lines. we cannot tax our way back to budget surpluses and economic prosperity without major spending cuts and entitle 347b9 reforms we will continue running a huge deficit regardless of what anyone does on either side. for every dollar of revenue you give him, he'll give you $2.50 of spending cuts. if he gave you that on spending cuts, it would be $850 billon a year would you do that? >> the president has said a lot of things, but what counts is what he's willing to put on the table and so
as you know, we have a trillion dollar annual deficit and this would not close that gap at all. so the president needs to come up with a plan and for better or worse going to require leadership. no member of the senate or the house is going to be able to do this, this is something the president has to do by himself and he can't do it on the campaign trail. >> let me ask you this because you wrote an op-ed today and you wrote about divided government about the deal. you said divided...
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so i think what the white house is signaling is that at a minimum, any deficit package has to include this immediate february and march debt ceiling that we're going to hit. >> is jack lew the current chief of staff and former budget director the top candidate to be treasury? what is your best guess? >> he appears to be the frontrunner from everything you see and read and hear and he is a -- i've known him a long time. he's an accomplished guy. he knows these issues perfectly. he has worked in the financial community and has a sense of that and vice versa. and so i think he would be a it terrific choice. >> we should say there are a couple other people who have been rumored to being vetted. roger altman, former treasury official, larry fink, be erskine bowles. this what is alan simpson, erskine bowles' partner in the deficit commission, had to say about that possibility last week on the show. >> he said he would be very pleased to do that. he shared that with me personally, as long as they move the treasury department to north carolina, to charlotte. i don't think -- >> he's worked so
so i think what the white house is signaling is that at a minimum, any deficit package has to include this immediate february and march debt ceiling that we're going to hit. >> is jack lew the current chief of staff and former budget director the top candidate to be treasury? what is your best guess? >> he appears to be the frontrunner from everything you see and read and hear and he is a -- i've known him a long time. he's an accomplished guy. he knows these issues perfectly. he...
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the fact is that social security doesn't add one penny to the deficit or the debt. let's get the facts straight on this. we've been looking at these entitlements, scrutinizing them. we've had bipartisan changes to social security to make it sustainable. we can do that again. don't blame social security and medicare for our problems. i would say a major part of the problem is health care expenses, and i think the affordable health care bill attacked that issue particularly. if we don't lower health care costs, we are not going to get the budget in balance regardless of what we do. >> we have below you daishg you can't see it. a new poll was taken. a majority didn't want to see cuts in medicaid and didn't want the eligibility age increase for medicare. >> you're absolutely right. you put more burden on the states. right now the states are struggling to keep their head above water as it is. if you put that burden on the states, then they are going to move accordingly to the towns and their taxpayers in that particular state. in my state of new jersey, we pay an exorbit
the fact is that social security doesn't add one penny to the deficit or the debt. let's get the facts straight on this. we've been looking at these entitlements, scrutinizing them. we've had bipartisan changes to social security to make it sustainable. we can do that again. don't blame social security and medicare for our problems. i would say a major part of the problem is health care expenses, and i think the affordable health care bill attacked that issue particularly. if we don't lower...
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members of congress got together and gorged themselves at the table of deficit spending ordering up porterhouse sized tax cuts for their riff friends and a heaping helping of extended unemployment benefits for their out of work neighbors, something i support, by the way. now the bill comes due, and when it's time to whip out the national credit card, you whisper your sweet notion into the tea party's here and the gop threatens to dash as a matter of principle. who wants to put $16 trillion on the national credit card? who is pro-debt? no one. gop extremists get to pretend they're the adults in the room railing about spending that has already happened that they agreed to, and the best part you naughty, naughty, debt ceiling you, you offer them up a chance to get more goodies in the form of more tax cuts or the righteous thrill of cutting medicaid assistance from those obama-loving takers. for nearly 100 years now you were just this boring, nondescript wallflower, never drawing attention to yourself. when congress through spending and tax cuts came up against your limits, you were wordlessly elev
members of congress got together and gorged themselves at the table of deficit spending ordering up porterhouse sized tax cuts for their riff friends and a heaping helping of extended unemployment benefits for their out of work neighbors, something i support, by the way. now the bill comes due, and when it's time to whip out the national credit card, you whisper your sweet notion into the tea party's here and the gop threatens to dash as a matter of principle. who wants to put $16 trillion on...
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obama has this fetish of we've got to raise the rates on the top two because we're going to raise the deficit. >> who knew a balanced approach could be characterized as an obsession that evokes an erotic response. what this is about is the president drawing attention to a dirty little secret, their own fetish that republicans just don't like to hear ventilated in public. according to the congressional budget office in the years since 1979 as federal taxation has become less progressive, the income of the top 1% has grown by over
obama has this fetish of we've got to raise the rates on the top two because we're going to raise the deficit. >> who knew a balanced approach could be characterized as an obsession that evokes an erotic response. what this is about is the president drawing attention to a dirty little secret, their own fetish that republicans just don't like to hear ventilated in public. according to the congressional budget office in the years since 1979 as federal taxation has become less progressive,...
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we were very concerned because we thought the budget was going to be -- the deficit was going to be about $150 billion. that shocked everyone into action. then, unlike now, there remains some degree of bipartisanship. there was comity, there was discussion, even as we battled over the budget, we worked together in a bipartisan way on many other issues. you didn't have the total polarization that you have today. >> i mean, when you were elected senate majority leader, i understand one of the first people that you called was the minority leader, senator dole. >> that's right. i called him right away, i went to see him almost immediately, and i said to him look, you've been here a long time, i'm relatively new, these are very tough jobs in the best of circumstances, and if we don't have some degree of trust between us, they will be impossible jobs. so i said to him i want to tell you how i intend to behave toward you and to ask that you behave towards me in the same way. and we agreed on the most basic of things. i told him i would not surprise him, that's important in the senate. that he wo
we were very concerned because we thought the budget was going to be -- the deficit was going to be about $150 billion. that shocked everyone into action. then, unlike now, there remains some degree of bipartisanship. there was comity, there was discussion, even as we battled over the budget, we worked together in a bipartisan way on many other issues. you didn't have the total polarization that you have today. >> i mean, when you were elected senate majority leader, i understand one of...
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mystery when 60% at least of the american people think that's an appropriate way to help balance the deficit. >> now, speaker boehner keeps telling us that he's put revenues on the table in form of closing loopholes, but democrats have not offered anything in terms of those earned entitlements. now, i know you said earlier that these are not connected issues, but are you and your colleagues willing to give any ground in terms of cuts, say, to medicare, medicaid, or social security or something? >> you know, this is somewhat laughable because, again, the republicans spent the entire campaign talking about how democrats slashed $716 billion from medicare and governor romney said i'm not going to take that money out of medicare. now they're demanding we take money out of the medicare. this is another example where their message keeps changing. it's not consistent and they're just relying on the same amnesia of the american people to let them get away with it. >> very briefly, sir. do we think there will be a deal or will we hit the cliff and go over it 1234. >> i'm getting more and more pessimi
mystery when 60% at least of the american people think that's an appropriate way to help balance the deficit. >> now, speaker boehner keeps telling us that he's put revenues on the table in form of closing loopholes, but democrats have not offered anything in terms of those earned entitlements. now, i know you said earlier that these are not connected issues, but are you and your colleagues willing to give any ground in terms of cuts, say, to medicare, medicaid, or social security or...
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the american indian tribe and they honored the president by giving him his own indian name running deficit. [ laughter ] >> the nation's debt is no laughing matter. lou dobbs will tell you why we are all in grave danger because of out-of-control government spending. three wise men, what did they do? >> jesse watters quizes the folks about christmas. >> they brought frankincense, miles an mur and. >> baby diapers? >> a wild wild waters world upcoming. >> caution, you are about to enter the no spin zone from california. factor begins right now. hi i'm bill o'reilly reporting from los angeles, thanks for watching us tonight. i'm here to do the leno program this evening. during the long flight across country, i had a chance to analyze something very important to you. all of us needs to wise up and fast. you may have heard the story of new york city police officer who spent $100 of his own money to give bare foot man some boots. that man jeffrey hillman lying in the street when officer deprimo spotted him. >> it was extremely cold that night and you see this gentleman i tried to offer him to bu
the american indian tribe and they honored the president by giving him his own indian name running deficit. [ laughter ] >> the nation's debt is no laughing matter. lou dobbs will tell you why we are all in grave danger because of out-of-control government spending. three wise men, what did they do? >> jesse watters quizes the folks about christmas. >> they brought frankincense, miles an mur and. >> baby diapers? >> a wild wild waters world upcoming. >>...
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they were elected as a check and balance against president obama's reckless deficits and his reckless debt. they were elected to stop the explosive growth of government. the republicans were elected and sent to washington to fight for limited government, balanced budgets, and of course, greater liberty for all the american people. at this moment it seems like they are only offering a democratic light version for america. maybe they need to learn a thing or two from president obama. maybe they need to show a willingness to go over the so-called fiscal cliff. now, if the president really wants to take the country there, maybe they need to let him go there. here's the bottom line. what are we hearing from the white house? we're hearing the president will not negotiate unless taxes are raised on job creators, and we're hearing that the president now wants to seize control of the debt ceiling from congress. well, that means rather than needing the approval of the house was the senate to raise the nation's spending limit, president barack obama wants to do this all by his lonesome, a blank
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we have got the bush tax cuts in 2007 our deficit was $160 billion. that number almost sounds -- $160 billion. it's a spending problem. >> bill: i want you to do me a favor and call diane sawyer after we get off the air i want you to tell her as kristen pointed out in 2007 the highest revenue in the history of the republic came into washington because the taxes were fairly moderate and people were investing and capital gains was kicking in at the 15 and 30% rate and all that money was coming in washington and people were working and all that money was coming to washington. and you can tell diane that, you know, just taxing and spending isn't going to help us. you can do that? will you do that? >> i will. she is my bff i will be calling her after get off the show. dying to hear what you think too. >> bill: always. >> i don't know anybody who thinks that everything is going to be solved just by raising tacks. i keep hearing republicans say. this look, obama recommended or proposed cutting the defense department and he was attacked viciously by republics
we have got the bush tax cuts in 2007 our deficit was $160 billion. that number almost sounds -- $160 billion. it's a spending problem. >> bill: i want you to do me a favor and call diane sawyer after we get off the air i want you to tell her as kristen pointed out in 2007 the highest revenue in the history of the republic came into washington because the taxes were fairly moderate and people were investing and capital gains was kicking in at the 15 and 30% rate and all that money was...
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the only thing bigger than the budget deficit is the trust deficit in washington. christine romans, cnn, new york. >>> developing now, nato allies say they have grave concerns that syria's government could be preparing to do precisely what so many have been fearing, unleash the chemical weaponry on its own people. president obama issuing a stern warning after intelligence reports suggest that president bashar al assad's regime is mixing these chemicals to make the deadly, deadly gas called sarin. >> today i want to make it absolutely clear to assad and those under his command, the world is watching. the use of chemical weapons is and would be totally unacceptable. and if you make the tragic mistake of using these weapons, there will be consequences and you will be held accountable. >> former british prime minister tony blair echoing the concerns earlier today on cnn. >> there are a lot of people dying. now the death toll probably would be around 40,000 since this began, since a large number of people. but if there was any sense at all that assad was going to use ch
the only thing bigger than the budget deficit is the trust deficit in washington. christine romans, cnn, new york. >>> developing now, nato allies say they have grave concerns that syria's government could be preparing to do precisely what so many have been fearing, unleash the chemical weaponry on its own people. president obama issuing a stern warning after intelligence reports suggest that president bashar al assad's regime is mixing these chemicals to make the deadly, deadly gas...
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>> we have had 17 debt and deficit commissions since 1982 and listened to the experts every time. the national debt went from $1 trillion to $16 trillion. congress does not cut spending. they have been saying for a long time we need a balanced approach. the experts say we need a balanced approach. the so-called fiscal cliff is the most valid approach out of congress and now they don't want to do it. >> what happens if we do go over this cliff, aaron? our credit rating, what it means for those incentives and for the cuts that kick in automatically, what does this mean for us because it is not good by any means. >> see, it is a cliff -- >> you think it's a false deadline. >> i absolutely do. i think that suddenly markets will not crash, the bottom will not fall out. the world will not end. what will happen is that it will force members of congress to kick the can down the road to actually deal with those things. >> eric, thank you. many believe hitting the fiscal cliff will throw the country back into a recession. either way, we'll have eric erickson back after this plays out to see
>> we have had 17 debt and deficit commissions since 1982 and listened to the experts every time. the national debt went from $1 trillion to $16 trillion. congress does not cut spending. they have been saying for a long time we need a balanced approach. the experts say we need a balanced approach. the so-called fiscal cliff is the most valid approach out of congress and now they don't want to do it. >> what happens if we do go over this cliff, aaron? our credit rating, what it means...
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this is why medicare down the road adds so much to the federal budget deficit. so republicans say raise the retirement age to 67 or means testing, meaning making more wealthy americans pay more into the system or get less out of the system. if you means test, that means you're paying less out to affluent americans. if you raise the retirement age, you're paying out less as money comes in and keeping the revenue line closer to the cost line. that is the goal. so when you do a 10 or 20-year calculation, medicare is not adding to the deficit. but that's the policy and just as republicans are having a backlash against the speaker saying we don't think we should put tax increases on the table, the democrats and some of the new members in congress, they say they ran promising not to touch medicare. so they say they won't do this. so you have the credibility challenge. republicans say give us entitlement and other spending cuts and the democrats want higher tax rates. that's why we have a stalemate. >>> an internet icon wanted in connection with the killing of his neig
this is why medicare down the road adds so much to the federal budget deficit. so republicans say raise the retirement age to 67 or means testing, meaning making more wealthy americans pay more into the system or get less out of the system. if you means test, that means you're paying less out to affluent americans. if you raise the retirement age, you're paying out less as money comes in and keeping the revenue line closer to the cost line. that is the goal. so when you do a 10 or 20-year...
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here's the level of deficit reduction i can reach. if you think you can reach the same or more with more spending cuts, you go first and name them. >> yeah. >> so richard, we have everybody playing chicken for the most part. it's kabuki. you show your spending cuts and then i'll show mine. >> right. it failed before when the president was negotiating against himself. look, i'm going to come back. $400 billion of medicare cuts is exactly what you would want democrats to do if you want them to start dealing with entitlements. what are we talking about when we say democrats need to deal with entitlements? principally, it's medicare. so that's a huge down payment right there. you can say, well, i don't really believe they're possible, but that's a real proposal. what you're asking for in terms of the politics is that the president somehow solves john boehner's problems with his own caucus. and gives him the strength to go back and be the leader of that rowdy bunch of house republicans. that is not -- that is a hard ask for a president. >>
here's the level of deficit reduction i can reach. if you think you can reach the same or more with more spending cuts, you go first and name them. >> yeah. >> so richard, we have everybody playing chicken for the most part. it's kabuki. you show your spending cuts and then i'll show mine. >> right. it failed before when the president was negotiating against himself. look, i'm going to come back. $400 billion of medicare cuts is exactly what you would want democrats to do if...
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they want to agree if they can bring down the deficit in terms of bringing more taxes in terms of revenue or cutting spending. and the third leg of that is something we don't know. how can we make the economy grow, if the economy grows faster, then we don't need to cut as much and we don't need as much revenue. the growth of the economy is in a way the fuzziest of all these things, because you don't know how fast, you can have estimates, you do have, the birth in the hand is you know you can bring in more revenue if you raise taxes on the wealthiest americans. you know you can save money if you cut entitlements. the question is how far do we want to go down the road of solving the problem. some people may say, we don't have to get all the way, as long as we make progress and we show to americans that you guys are in good hands with us, because at least we're going in the right direction, right now we can't even say that. >> right, so really that's what the wild card is, and what's so interesting, is you know, all of these things have a price tag. you raise taxes on the top 2%. you get x b
they want to agree if they can bring down the deficit in terms of bringing more taxes in terms of revenue or cutting spending. and the third leg of that is something we don't know. how can we make the economy grow, if the economy grows faster, then we don't need to cut as much and we don't need as much revenue. the growth of the economy is in a way the fuzziest of all these things, because you don't know how fast, you can have estimates, you do have, the birth in the hand is you know you can...
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we also have a looming budget deficit. so you don't have to really be a rocket scientist to understand that the rich do have to pay more. taxes do have to be raised on the rich and i think that's why over 60% of the public in these polls are not only supportive of a tax increase on the rich, but also will blame the republicans if we go over the fiscal cliff. and this gives frankly, this gives the white house and this gives the obama administration much more bargaining leverage. >> grover norquist, here's the problem, it seems to me. again, as long as the posturing goes on with fairly ridiculous offers on both sides and lots of political rhetoric along the lines of well, they're not giving an inch, we're going backwards, you can't really go backwards from a position of complete standstill, as far as i'm concerned. as this goes on, the american economy stalls, wall street's nervous, the consumers that should be out there now buying lots of christmas presents and boosting the economy will be reticent because they'll be thinki
we also have a looming budget deficit. so you don't have to really be a rocket scientist to understand that the rich do have to pay more. taxes do have to be raised on the rich and i think that's why over 60% of the public in these polls are not only supportive of a tax increase on the rich, but also will blame the republicans if we go over the fiscal cliff. and this gives frankly, this gives the white house and this gives the obama administration much more bargaining leverage. >> grover...
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president got the tax rate hike that he wanted, understand that we would continue to see trillion dollar deficits for as far as the eye can see. washington has a spending problem. not a receive knew problem. the president doesn't agree with our proposal, i believe that he's got an obligation to families and small businesses to offer a plan of his own. a plan that can pass both chambers of the congress. we are ready and eager to talk to the president about such a plan. >> mr. speaker, you did speak with the president earlier this week. can you characterize that call? did he have any kind of counteroffer? also, we understand that he just is making clear that it is -- got to be increase in rates for the wealthy or no deal. are you willing to give a little bit, maybe just not all the way to 39.6? >> it was the -- the phone call was pleasant. but it was just more of the same. the conversations -- the staff had yesterday just more of the same. it is time for the -- president, if he is serious to come back to us with a counteroffer. >> mr. speaker, the jobs report indicated unemployment is down roughly
president got the tax rate hike that he wanted, understand that we would continue to see trillion dollar deficits for as far as the eye can see. washington has a spending problem. not a receive knew problem. the president doesn't agree with our proposal, i believe that he's got an obligation to families and small businesses to offer a plan of his own. a plan that can pass both chambers of the congress. we are ready and eager to talk to the president about such a plan. >> mr. speaker, you...